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Collector Conversation - Philip Marinello (The Substance Podcast)

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For the second Collector Conversation episode, Matt welcomes Philip Marinello from The Substance Podcast to chat about physical media and how he collects it. Philip talks about movies a lot on his "Substantive Cinema" episodes and often does little physical media shout-outs for what is new and what he has recently added to his collection.

In this conversation, Philip gives Matt some great information about some labels he has yet to check out, how great the local public library can be for discovering new (and even boutique) releases, and some of the underseen Samuel Fuller gems that he would love to see get a proper physical media treatment.

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SPEAKER_02

Welcome to Cinema on a Shelf, a podcast about movies and physical media. My name is Matt, and thank you for spending some time with me instead of watching a movie. I promise I will try to make it worth your time. In today's episode, I am embarking on my second in the series of collector conversations for the channel. We today are getting a chance to chat with Philip Marinello from the Substance Podcast. Philip has been doing his podcast for a number of years now. The tagline for the Substance Podcast is starting conversations that aim to help us all better appreciate goodness, truth, and beauty. Now Philip talks about a lot of different topics on his podcast, but one that he goes back to often is film and cinema and his appreciation of it in various capacities, whether it is going to the theater or local film festivals or doing deep dives on specific films, which he does on his substantive cinema episodes, which are uh how I discovered Philip originally. And he also is notable as a physical media collector, aficionado, someone that has been collecting for a long time, and this is what sort of sparked me to reach out to Philip and uh come on the podcast and have a little bit of a conversation about how he collects physical media. So I got a chance to sit down with Philip, and we're gonna get a chance to listen to that conversation right now. So I guess first of all, um Philip, I'll start by saying welcome to being uh being guest number two on the podcast for collector conversations. So thanks thanks for taking the time this evening to come and chat with me. Um I guess I'll give you a chance right off the start to do a little bit of a uh self-introduction and um a bit about who you are and uh maybe a bit about your podcast and maybe how movies are part of what you do there.

SPEAKER_00

Well, thanks, Matt. Um, I appreciate that for somebody who's been podcasting for a bit, and I've been podcasting since 2018, 2019. My elevator pitch really like I I'm trying to get it better, but basically, um you can find me. My show is called The Substance. Um we cover, and very rudely, Mubi never reached out when the movie I was gonna say. Several of my friends with bigger platforms, Mubi reached out to us like, guys, the collab is right there for us.

SPEAKER_02

But um so it used to be so easily googlable and now well I'm sure it got gave us a nice SEO hit.

SPEAKER_00

I'll take it. But um so my show's called The Substance. We are a variety show which uh may or may not be ill-advised. So we we do a lot of film. Uh we're very cinematically inclined over at the substance, but we also just cover matters that are substantive. We have um teachers, we have academics, we have artists, authors, activists, faith leaders, like people engaged in study or in their community or doing various things uh of uh truth or beauty or or value to society. So we've had a lot of interesting people on, uh a wide variety of people on. I kind of say now that the substance is kind of somewhere between fresh air and film spotting, uh if you guys are familiar with those. Um but yeah, we actually have had a few guests that have appeared on fresh air on our show, and we've had the host of film spotting on our show. So we uh we have all sorts of people on sometimes there. My internet friends, sometimes there, uh semi-professional to professional film critics or journalists. Um if you're a movie podcast listener, like I said, we've had Josh Larson from Film Spotting, had Mike White from the Projection Booth, Dan McCoy from the Flop House, a number of letterbox employees, like we try to get a wide variety of people, and plenty of people in the film industry, some people who you may or may not know, and some people who are up and coming that are very exciting. So um that's us in a nutshell. We are creeping up on episode 200, um, and we're we're having a great time.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, that's awesome. I it's I kind of I discovered the substance through through the substantive cinema kind of recurring.

SPEAKER_00

As many do, and I'll I'll take that.

SPEAKER_02

That's right, yeah. But it's uh you're right, it's you get a lot of very interesting discussions throughout the podcast.

SPEAKER_00

It's it's we've had a few Canadians on recently too.

SPEAKER_02

Hey, we like to see that more Canadian representation is uh always welcome, I imagine. Um that's awesome. Yeah, it's great to hear. And obviously, you you talked about um you know cinema and movies being a thing that you talk about on your podcast, and um, you know, in some of the more recent ones, talk about you know being at Panic Fest, which I think is local to you. So great.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, I'm so I'm based out of Kansas City. Um beginning of every year, not the beginning, but like early in the year uh in the spring. We have Panic Fest, and we wrapped ours up a little while ago and we got our episode out, and it was a blast. Every year it's great. This year was particularly wonderful, wonderful. Um I'll say if if it's coming to a festival near you or it's out on VOD, highly, highly recommend I'm gonna shout out Frankie Maniac Woman. Just blew my socks off. And depending on what your vibe is, I'd say Legions and Theater is dead, also just absolutely incredible.

SPEAKER_02

Nice. Yeah, it was uh I think it was, if I remember right, that it was happening about the same time as the the Calgary Underground Film Festival that goes on here every year.

SPEAKER_00

Which is it was also literally the exact same time as Overlook, and I'm like, guys, why would you do that?

SPEAKER_02

Keeping it local, I guess. But yeah, there was a little bit of crossover with some of the films that were here that I looked up at Panic Fest. Um, but Legions wasn't one, so I'm I'm intrigued by that one.

SPEAKER_00

So good. Legions rocked. That was one that I had no expectations, and I was just like, and actually, I had the opposite. Like, I had become friends with the director over the weekend of the festival, and I was like, man, I really like this guy. I really hope his movie doesn't suck. And then I was like, wow, like low-key, and obviously I know lots of people are involved in the editing and all that stuff. I was like, this is kind of genius because I'll I'll just gush a little bit on his movie. So many things and ideas and tones in one movie, and he made it like he balanced them all perfectly, in my opinion. I I thought it was really, really wonderful. I hope he gets to make movies for a very long time.

SPEAKER_02

That's awesome. And it's I I'm trying to, I think one of the things I'm trying to do a little bit well in the last few years, but this year I'm trying to trying to step out of my own comfort zone and do a little more of the the horror movie stuff, which is typically not like not fully in my lane, but trying to get more recommendations. So that one's definitely going on my personal list for sure. Um, and obviously, I know you uh you've had an episode not too long ago talking about physical media um with Jeff Rousio from YouTube.

SPEAKER_00

I did, yes.

SPEAKER_02

As well, and that's you know, that's kind of what what I uh I revolve my show around, and part of part of me discovering the substance and seeing you on some other podcasts and things talking about physical media, which is kind of why I wanted to reach out because uh we definitely share a similar um sickness habit, however you want to call it.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, hobby. I mean, it's part of the hobby, right? Because there's plenty of Cinephiles who don't own hundreds of Blu-rays. Yes. And who don't obsessively every month check all of the different labels' websites for their new release announcements? But yeah, no, it's it's a wonderful thing, and actually, I hadn't thought about it recently. I've been trying to guest on a lot of shows, and I have done two different physical media related shows in the last couple months. So this will be like I and I love physical media so much. I've been doing more, I know you said you listened to the last few uh physical media corners on the episodes because the the fine folks over at MVD Entertainment go go buy movies from them, have been sending us stuff to review, and it's been a fun addition to the show. I've been wanting to do segments, and I'm like, I don't want to do segments for the sake of segments, but now they're sending us Blu-rays. I'm like, okay, physical media corner.

SPEAKER_02

Good stuff, yeah. It crosses over into there, that makes sense. Do you, um, in terms of like being a collector, do you know about how long you've been collecting physical media for?

SPEAKER_00

Oh, I've been collecting physical media since I was a kid with those clamshell VHSs, man. But oh yeah. I went through several phases. Um when I was in high school and had my own job and not my own bills. I would go to Circuit City and Walmart and Barnes and Noble and buy a bunch of movies almost weekly or bi-weekly. And then I think I was in college when the Criterion Barnes and Noble sales started, the 50% off. Right. So that was what like somewhere between 15 and 20 years ago when those first started. And once those started, that like supercharged it again. And I've I've gone through purges, and you can see this is just some of my overflow stacks. I need to get better shelving space.

SPEAKER_02

But uh I've got mine right behind me too.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, I I've been doing it for a long time, and it goes through ups and downs. I got uh the house and the family and little kids, but I it's something I love, and not just because streaming is impermanent, but like a lot of these are are things that I love that one, like the streaming thing, yes, like you never know, like that that could go away. Like you're kind of the keepers of these traditions, but also like you can you can share them with other people when when you actually own them physically.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, I I I think I come from a similar kind of lens of it. Like uh I'm I'm of an age where like the like the VHS, the video rental store, was kind of the king of my like small town that I grew up in because we didn't have a theater, so it was like, okay, when you want to watch a movie, either you caught it on TV and who knows whatever was getting run, or you went to the video store and waited eight months after a movie came out in the theaters until you could rent it for a couple of days or you know, I mean I was also the kid back in the day of of terrestrial television being a primary way before I I could rent.

SPEAKER_00

I mean, I did go to the library a lot, so I did get a lot of things there, but yeah, I would also get the TV guide every week and see if there was anything I really wanted to see and plan my week around what was airing as well.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, yeah, that's and that's a fun one too. And everybody kind of has I know where I was from, there we sort of had like two very specific movie channels. One being Canadian is a shout out to the suit to super channel, which doesn't exist anymore. But like that was the same thing you just watch, like okay, what's on, and most of that I wasn't I didn't know about, but we did get a few, especially American channels like TBS that did run a lot of movies the same ten movies over and over. The same ten movies, the perpetual, like never-ending James Bond, uh, you know, we're gonna run everything all in a row. Um, so yeah, there was a lot of that, but like going to the going to the video store was like kind of a not a religious experience, but it was something like that you did more often than I mean I wasn't old enough to go buy groceries, so I wasn't going to the grocery store, but like I was there renting movies and video games a lot more often. Does that kind of and you know if you were kind of in the similar age, is that is that something that you kind of like to either have around or try to rekindle or maybe do with your family a bit?

SPEAKER_00

Oh, for sure. I mean, whenever we can, I own so many kids' movies on DVD and Blu-ray. And yeah, whenever we can, we pop the discs in. We're taking our boys through some of the uh Disney classics and some just classic classics, and whenever we have the discs, because they're better. Like they're at least like three to four times better, um, even with like 4K streaming, which yeah, quote unquote. Um yeah, and also for people who love movies, I was a movie lover from a young age. With the advent of DVD and then on with Laserdisc, Blu-ray, 4K, all that is the special features. Like that's another great thing about owning it physically. Not only can you have a library of important cinema, art, like cultural objects of value, you also a lot of these have hours of behind the scenes and commentary tracks and making of or directors' early short films or what have you. And there's so many, and I'm sure we'll get to that. Like, there's so many like right now, so many incredible labels putting so much love and effort, time and attention and skill and passion into these incredible releases that I mean, as long as we have players that work, like I'm gonna be watching these like forever.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, oh totally. It's there's almost kind of never been a better time for it, even though we're coming off a period of of it kind of waning, whether it's big marketplaces like Best Buy kind of getting rid of them, there's almost more avenues, more more labels, more places to go. Like, hey, somebody's picking up like if you like little scene crime films from Poland, there's probably somebody putting them out.

SPEAKER_00

Like totally. Well, I think that also goes to like the studios. People are like, oh, physical media's dead. It's like studios putting out crappy DVDs and Blu-rays for like $25 to $40 with hardly any special features, no new art, nothing to like make it worth owning, when a lot of the big like Disney stuffs on Disney Plus, Warner stuff's on HBO Max, Paramount stuffs on Paramount, like if you're not putting like there's no reason to buy those, so that's why Walmart and Best Buy weren't moving units, because everybody's paying 10, 15, 20 bucks a month or whatever, borrowing their friends login. Yeah. And like they they've cheapened all of that, but the the boutiques are crushing it.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, they totally are, and you there I think you're even starting to see I at least I'm starting to see even a few big studios that are are kind of like dipping their almost dipping their toes back in in some ways. Like I I wish they would.

SPEAKER_00

I know, like it's I've got so much money to be made there. Why would you not?

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, like I I the amount of times I've now seen the like the one battle after another steel book, the pay pictures of a wonderfully designed steel book and Word on the Street is that's the one that actually has special features too. Yeah, because I have a I have the 4K of it that it has next to nothing, but I kind of wanted to get it because my wife had to be gonna see it, yeah.

SPEAKER_00

Especially for something that is that high quality and impactful and award-winning. Why was nobody on the set with the camera rolling, like B-roll and doing interviews? Like, why is there not like a 30 every disc should have a commentary and like a 30-minute making of like minimum?

SPEAKER_02

Yeah. Even if they're doing it, I think there's a few places like like A24 on Neon that are starting to do that for their own films of like, hey, here's the we're gonna put this out and it's gonna be streaming somewhere, but like here's this cool limited edition of like no other choice.

SPEAKER_00

A24 is neon. I have a bone to pick with him. I did see the no other choice looks very cool, but so many of neon's are bare bones, and that's really annoying to me. Because they make amazing films, and then there's like, oh, a five-minute BS fluff like like featurette. Yeah, it's like what is that?

SPEAKER_02

Makes me wonder if they're thinking about it more, like if they're if they're trying a few of these, because I think there's been a few Park Chan Woks that that they've had that have been like these like little limited editions, and maybe they're testing the waters. I don't know. A24 is has fully jumped head first.

SPEAKER_00

Those editions are amazing too. Um, I don't know if we're gonna get to this. Did you oh maybe it's different in Canada? Uh, because I know sometimes the criterion sales are a lot of my Canadian friends rightfully complain about that. Was the the recent Neon sale applicable to you guys as well? The the buy one get two free on Neon's website?

SPEAKER_02

Oh, I know they were doing a sale, but I didn't actually get a chance to see if they would I looked through it to see what was available, but I didn't see it's their whole site, not just movies like merch, anything everything is buy one, get two free. Yeah, the only thing that sometimes they'll run with those, and you run into it with the Criterion sale. So when when Barnes and Noble, like when they started it, I used to be buying stuff all the time because they would just ship it over the border and that's fine. At some point in time, there's another company in Canada that also has a deal with Criterion to sort of be their Canadian marketplace, and you can get them on Amazon too, but um the the Barnes and Noble has for the most part stopped shipping the Criterion stuff on their 50% off sale to Canada, which is unfortunate, and sometimes it actually they'll let it through, like there's kind of no rhyme or reason to it, and some of their other sales too, like the arrow stuff. Sometimes it goes through, sometimes it doesn't. The I bought a bunch of uh stuff from the Radiance 50% off sale from Barnes and Noble when they Barnes Noble.

SPEAKER_00

I feel like every month darn near has a 50% off deal. Like the OCN Vinegar syndrome stuff right now is crazy. Yeah, I'm so glad those are in stores now.

SPEAKER_02

I know the and I actually order quite a bit of stuff from from OCN and Vinegar. I'm a big Canadian international pitchers.

SPEAKER_00

So you like Vin Oh, okay. I I've got a couple of those. I wonder I forgot which ones I got because I just heard that they were good. Say you're a vinegar syndrome fan, but not a horror guy. But yeah, Canadian international. I do not know. Their sub labels are amazing.

SPEAKER_02

They are, and they've just so much of the stuff. I have stuff from like Factory 25 and Utopia and a bunch of their sub labels that do fit a little more into there. I did a an episode of the podcast about like a label discovery about vinegar syndrome because I was like, okay, I'm gonna actually the only one I had in my collection was uh Existens, the David Cronenberg one, which I got before it sold out. And so I I purposely like picked a couple more that I was like, okay, one of the sales. Absolutely. But I picked up a couple more because I'm like, yeah, I want to branch out a little bit, and like they're just they do such a good job visually and packaging and the the extra features they have on it. And they I mean, I'm not a VHS collector, they do also dip their toes into some funny like additions on VHS too, which is I have gotten into that, but I uh have hardly bought any of the new ones because those are all very pricey for a VHS tape.

SPEAKER_00

I'm not doing that. I'm holding out for garage sales and thrift stores or estate sales or Facebook marketplaces. I'm not gonna spend $45 for a new VHS.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, that's completely completely understandable for sure, even though some of those can go for prices too. Um, do you do you do a lot of like uh like VHS? Do you go even earlier than that? Are you a Laserdisc guy? Do you go even further?

SPEAKER_00

So I don't have a Laserdisc player. Um there are a few Laser Discs that like I have a mental list of that if I ever see out in the wild, like I would absolutely grab some for the art, some for the special features, some just because I love them and would like to have them in my collection if I ever found a a good Laserdisc player. Yep. Um but no, I I don't collect Laser Disc. I I did win um last year. No, it was two years ago because it was 74. Two years ago, um my local theater did a um screening for the 50th anniversary of Texas Chainsaw, and I won a Betamax tape of Texas Chainsaw 2. Oh wow. That's it. So that's the only beta tape I own. I mean, that's a fun one to do that. It's VHS and DVD Blu-ray 4K.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, that makes sense. And they yeah, I I I kind of kind of do a lot of the same thing. I've never I've never had a laserdis player, but I have a very distinct memory of doing like film studies classes in my university option credits, and uh this one story that stands out to me. Because I'm like, only a laser disc player would do this, but it was just kind of as DVD was about to come in in the early 2000s. And um the one of my film studies professors put Psycho on the syllabus, and the poor TA didn't know how to use a laserdisc layer. So she ran the second half of Psycho first, and then it flipped over automatically and played the first half. And there were so many kids in that screening that they'd never seen Psycho before. And I was like, That's hilarious. So at least we don't have to worry about that these days with any of the modern formats or VHS for that matter. Um, so you talked about doing um like a lot of garage sales and uh thrift stores estate sales. How do you typically like do you have a lot locally in Kansas City as far as places you'll go to look for physical media?

SPEAKER_00

We do, but I mean, again, I've got a job and two young children. I don't do that a lot. I check Facebook Marketplace every now and then. Um and with my job, I'm a bit of a road warrior, so I do get to drive around a lot. So sometimes I'll pop into thrift stores here and there for 10 minutes and I'll scan the shelves for anything good. Um, don't usually find stuff, but every now and then it's somebody passed away or somebody's kids were cleaning out the thing, and you get a bunch of cool stuff. Like uh one time I got a ton of like martial arts, action, Hong Kong cinema. Nice where I was like, oh, somebody was clearing out somebody else's collection. Yeah, and that happens every now and then, or you'll snag. Sometimes I'll hear about because I've the horror community here in Kansas City's big. Um, sometimes I'll hear about it early, sometimes I'll hear about it late. Like, oh, a big horror collection is up for grabs at XYZ store, and I'll go and it'll oftentimes be somewhat picked over, but I'll grab one or two because like I'm also not trying to have a crazy big VHS collection because I would rather have it in the higher formats most of the time, but they take up so much physical space that if I'm gonna buy something on VHS, it's not all gonna be like, oh, the best movies. Usually it's gonna be like fun genre stuff, so not like any old thing.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, yeah, because it's I mean, most was I think more was probably available on VHS even than it is now on DVD and Blu-ray.

SPEAKER_00

Well, in some stuff I would get on VHS because there aren't good Blu-rays of some of these titles.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, I know.

SPEAKER_00

I have the Who Am I VHS from Jackie Chan that only just got that arrow video uh upgrade.

SPEAKER_02

Oh yeah, yeah. There you go. Yeah, there's a lot in. I feel like for for a long time when I was getting into especially old movies like classic Hollywood, it felt like so much of it, like I was renting on VHS for a long time because it was like uh it's just not not available anywhere. And as DVD went along, I think a lot got ported there. But now even finding some of that on Blu-ray is next to impossible or the only way you can find it.

SPEAKER_00

I mean, a lot of the stuff I have is like fun genre, like the your Star Wars or your nightmare on Elm Streets, or your I've got all the Planned of the Apes and Evil Deads and just fun stuff to watch.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, stuff that's nostalgic for that time for sure.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

Um, and I may, you know, we've we've already talked a bit about boutique labels, and um, yeah, you mentioned at one point in time having been on a on the movie draft podcast doing a criterion collection draft. So I think I know the answer. Yeah, that was it was a very fun episode to listen into for sure. And so I think I know the answer to this, obviously, being a criterion collector myself, but it sounds like that's something that you you enjoy doing some collecting for.

SPEAKER_00

Oh, yeah, no, I'm a big, big, big boutique collector. Like Criterion is definitely like the OG, they were the ones that kind of set the standard. They still do a lot of incredible work. Sometimes I feel like they're a little lazy, and we all call them out on it, but it's still such an incredible legacy, and they still put out amazing stuff. Like they re-ignited their Eclipse set uh several months ago kicking off with that Kiristami set, they've got the Lubitch stuff. Like, I'm Pardon me, like I'm I'm still very delighted with the work they're doing. Um, but then you have folks like Vinegar Syndrome that we mentioned doing the uh like the exploitation-y side of things, yep. Um, but then also like Radiance and Deaf Crocodile bringing forgotten things back into the canon, or I think Radiance is probably the one doing the most of like bringing things genuinely back into the canon, like discussions going, these are great movies that got and then also Deaf Crocodile. I love the work the Deaf Crocodile is doing, particularly in the field of animation. Um, but I've I've mostly checked out their animation offerings, but there's a few or the Iranian, the um blanking on his name now. They had a set and then he just did um black rabbit, white rabbit.

SPEAKER_02

Oh, I remember seeing that. I uh yeah, I'm drawing a blanket.

SPEAKER_00

And then with Dead Mountaineers Motel that we talked about that will coming soon on Rewind and Revive. Yep. Um but yeah, I just I love what Def Crocodile is doing so much.

SPEAKER_02

Def Crocodile is one I'm really intrigued to check out. Uh it's one that I don't have anything from as of yet. Uh Radiance, I do. I kind of discovered Radiance earlier this year, uh a little bit late last year.

SPEAKER_00

Radiance is incredible. What uh what do you got from them?

SPEAKER_02

Uh I so I have the Cosa Nostra box set.

SPEAKER_00

The gorgeous incredible somewhere back there.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, it's odd, absolutely awesome.

SPEAKER_00

Like it's the bottom one right there.

SPEAKER_02

Nice, yeah, it's good. Um, the uh Tale of Sorrow and Sadness, the Saiyan Suzuki, which is wild. I love his stuff, and it was really, really well done. And um Malper Twee, which we also mentioned as well, that I got turned on to from the Rewinding Revive episode, and uh Japanese organized crime boss, the um Fukusaki.

SPEAKER_00

Uh again, another thing in like the Japanese Yakuza film sort of thing that I do a lot of good um Asian crime movies, or just like crime movies. They do a lot of Italian crime movies and French crime. Like I love all their world noir sets. I need to pre-order the fifth one.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, yeah. I'm very I'm everything I've watched so far has been has been incredible. So I'm they're they're definitely on my radar to keep collecting, collecting more of for sure. And you know, with them, I the I have a couple of places locally I might be able to find them, but for the most part, I'm looking online to grab stuff, which I think most of us are probably doing more these days than we would.

SPEAKER_00

I mean, it'd be nice to have a store to be able to find everything in and go into, but I mean there are some cool stores that are popping up again, which I I love to see. Um, but yeah, I don't think we have any great ones here.

SPEAKER_02

We have plenty of secondhand ones, but I don't like because I know Vinegar Syndrome has a few pop-ups and I actually went to their one in I went to their their store in Toronto, their permanent store when I was at TIFF last year, and it was such a cool experience. And they actually do a very good job of not only their stuff and the partner label stuff, but also just like a wall of like brand new arrow, brand new A22.

SPEAKER_00

People crave it. We we we want that.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, yeah, it's great. It's nice to see that it's kind of doing it. And now I think they've expanded. Now I think they're in they're in Pittsburgh and they're in Denver and Connecticut. Like it's I wouldn't be surprised if we saw even more of that kind of popping up from them.

SPEAKER_00

I have one here in Kansas City, I'd take one.

SPEAKER_02

Hey, man, get so we've got Denver's more on the west. You can get one.

SPEAKER_00

And with that, I heard when you make purchases there, you get points on your vinegar syndrome account.

SPEAKER_02

You do, and I actually got some points. I mentioned the Calgary Underground Film Festival. Um, Vincent came to the festival and set up a pop-up table at one of the cinemas here, and I went and grabbed a couple of things that uh I was looking for, and I actually grabbed one for Dakota, who was my first guest. Uh, got a Canadian film for him that we were both really interested in.

SPEAKER_00

Okay, so if I don't I don't want to hijack your show here, what are some of the Canadian international picture releases that you would recommend? I I got one or two.

SPEAKER_02

Okay. Um being that you're in the horror area of things, they do have because most of what CIP tends to do everything. Yeah, so I I I'll I'll segment a couple of them, but like the they typically have a lot of stuff kind of from the 60s to the 80s and a little bit later on. Um I did just pick up one and I haven't watched it yet, but I've heard really good things called Cannibal Girls, which is directed by Ivan Reitman, who would go on to do Ghostbusters, and stars Eugene Levy in a supporting role in a full 70s like mustache, big glasses. It just looks hilarious. Um horror movie-wise, there's a couple of interesting ones. They um called Ghost Keeper that's kind of in the like Canadian tax haven era of kind of creating low budget horror, which is really interesting.

SPEAKER_00

I love some low budget horror.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, there's um there's some really fun. So there's a there's a trio of films that they're not horror necessarily, but they're kind of low budget crime thrillers um by a a really well-known Canadian director named Denny Arcand, who won a Best International uh feature Oscar in like 2002, I think. But his these three early ones, um is one called uh Dirty Money, one called Gina, and the other one called Rajon Padovani. And they're all basically like Quebec kind of tales of like the mafia or organized crime in Quebec, which are really quite good, really engaging. There's um they do some really fun documentaries. They do a lot of work with the National Film Board of Canada to kind of I love that.

SPEAKER_00

I man, I wish we funded our arts better here.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, okay.

SPEAKER_00

The two I have are The Mob and The Hard Part Begins.

SPEAKER_02

Okay, the Hard Part Begins is really good as well. It's very different. It's about a country musician in like rural Ontario that's kind of Yeah, it looked great. Past his prime. It's it's a pretty legendary Canadian movie. Um, the couple of really good documentaries. One's called The Devil at Your Heels, which is all about basically the Canadian Evil Kinevil, who is trying to do the most ridiculous car jump stunt like of all time. It's it's ridiculous enough that they brought Evil Knievel in, and he said, even I wouldn't do this. Oh boy. It's so it's just this documentary following him trying to put this stunt on and get it on TV, which is pretty wild. Um, my personal favorite is is uh a drama called Orders, which is one that's based on the um a time in in Quebec specifically, but in Montreal around uh kind of our our one really big like political uh uh I don't know what you would call it necessarily. We had something called the FLQ crisis where there was a separatist group in Quebec that kidnapped a couple of politicians and were trying to hold them to like get demands held because they wanted to separate from Canada, and they ended up killing one of the local Quebec politicians, and basically they enacted um the uh this this not war act measures, but basically declared martial law in Montreal for a short period of time in the seven in the early 70s. And it this movie takes place during that session where like martial law has basically been declared because of this, and it follows about a half dozen people in Montreal that were taken in and arrested by the police and not charged but held in jail for several weeks. And it's incredibly interesting. It won Best Director at Cannes in I think 1971 or 72. Um, it's incredible, it's the one that I've watched from that I'm like, holy shit, this movie is amazing. More people should see this.

SPEAKER_00

Oh, I keep thinking it's Vinegar Syndrome, it's actually Severin. Um the other one that I really love is Siege.

SPEAKER_02

Mmm, okay. Tell me about Siege. I'm I'm not as familiar.

SPEAKER_00

So I don't know when this episode's gonna publish, but it's also one I try to get any cool local cinemas that I have relationships with to program during Pride Month. It's a it's a sub it's like a very Carpenter-esque, is clearly in influenced by John Carpenter. Um, it is a an underground gay bar is attacked by these fascists, many people are murdered, one guy gets away, and he escapes into this apartment building, and he's basically holed up in the apartment building with these like good Samaritans, and they're trying to keep him alive through the night. It's very good.

SPEAKER_02

Nice. Well, I'm gonna have to look that one up. Yeah, it is coming out in June, so happy pride to everyone. Um there's actually, and speaking of that, there is a one very good uh uh well, there's more than one in on CIP, but they have a uh pretty well-known um early gay film called Winter Kept Us Warm that actually was was put out in the 60s while homosexuality was still against the law in Canada, like in the early mid-60s. Um it's filmed at uh at a university in Toronto that a lot of the filmmakers actually knew David Cronenberg. It's one of the reasons that Cronenberg actually got into making movies is because he saw like some of his peers and acquaintances making this film and seeing it like actually get a release and going like I could do that. Uh but it's incredible.

SPEAKER_00

It's about uh well yeah, and Shivers is very uh aware.

SPEAKER_02

Yes, absolutely. I mean, there's a whole through line through, I think, most of Cronenberg's discography that goes that way. Um, but yeah, it's it is also incredible. They've been kind of making a a bit of a theatrical tour the last couple of years with the restoration for Winter Keptus Worms. So that's also one I would completely recommend. It's it's excellent.

SPEAKER_00

I'm also every month waiting for CIP to put out I like movies, because I I'd really like to own that.

SPEAKER_02

I feel like that's a no-brainer, and I I wouldn't doubt if it's it's in the pipeline because they do they do tend to do some good documentaries. They did one relatively recently that I have but haven't seen yet called vinyl, which is all about like vinyl record collectors, which has been.

SPEAKER_00

Oh no, I like movies is uh uh fiction.

SPEAKER_02

Oh, the kid in the video store, very different. That's right. Oh, I was thinking.

SPEAKER_00

Chandler Levic's uh directorial debut.

SPEAKER_02

Yes. Oh yeah, no, I she's got two movies out now.

SPEAKER_00

She's got one on Netflix and then one in theaters.

SPEAKER_02

Uh yes, which is Myland Kicks, which my wife and kicks, and then I think it's called Roommates, is the Netflix one.

SPEAKER_00

Mm-hmm. Haven't seen either. Excited for both. I loved I Like Movies, and we actually covered that with uh the the female lead of the movie on our show.

SPEAKER_02

Oh, very fun. That's fun. I'm gonna have to check out that episode for sure.

SPEAKER_00

It's a great, great, great movie, and it's one that I tell like if you're new to liking movies or if you've liked them for a long time, like it's such a fun, tender, funny uh coming of age story about like a 90s kid coming to his own uh as a cinephile, and basically like I think it's not based on a real place, but like a Canadian blockbuster.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, probably something that I would recognize for sure. So very cool. So good. Nice. Um you you pointed out the shelf behind you, the big uh your your overstock, I guess.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

I'm I'm assuming you have probably a different and and maybe larger shelf somewhere else in the street.

SPEAKER_00

So inside here is a case that like the doors both have shelves, and then inside they're shelves, but also I have I got stacks here and stacks there, like it's it's a little bit of an unorganized basement. Oh and then yeah, over there I have a lot of my Asian stuff and all of my complete television series on Blu-ray and DVD, which take a lot of space on their own.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

I'm like, which do I really want to keep all these? And I'm like, I don't know if I really want to get rid of any of these though.

SPEAKER_02

That's a purging is is always it's a hard but necessary thing sometimes.

SPEAKER_00

That it's true.

SPEAKER_02

It's never it's never fun to go to or go through, but then after you go through it, you kind of go like this was kind of a good idea.

SPEAKER_00

Or like some of these individual releases that are amazing, but like one movie, like do you um do you have anything from imprint?

SPEAKER_02

I do not yet. No, I've seen a bunch of their stuff.

SPEAKER_00

I will say a lot of their stuff, I hate like I like them a lot. But because of what they do and how they do it, a lot of their stuff is not essential because they're not usually premiering anything, and anything they premiere it's not usually in the highest quality, but like they do make amazing things, but yeah, they do send us stuff sometimes. One of my favorite movies, Raging Bull, but this is one film.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, that's something I've noticed. There is one store locally that does carry some imprint stuff, and that's the thing I've noticed being like, man, these look great. I can't.

SPEAKER_00

I love that it's got the different discs and the big booklet. It's amazing. I'm probably gonna keep it because it's one of my favorite movies, but I'm like, what one movie takes up so much room.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, that is something that I think is I I actually find that also about some of the like the arrow limited stuff. Like there's been a few error releases that I'm like, I really love like the film Witness, but do I need a box of Witness? Probably not. The only arrow that I have a big box of is The Apartment, which is one of my probably three or four favorite films.

SPEAKER_00

Well, and see for like six months when they came out with New York, New York, they were the only one. But now it's like a Kino 4K, it doesn't have everything that the imprint has. I'm going to keep the imprint New York, New York, but then like they keep coming out with more. But it's also Scorsese, which like has a special place in my heart.

SPEAKER_02

Yes, yeah, for sure. And uh you I mean shelf space is always I think any if you collect anything, shelf but shelf space is always one of those like delicate balances. The um, yeah, that and that and I mean and organization, which um true. I know I've gone through several different ways of organizing things with uh to the point where I think my wife can find some things now. Other things she's like, where the hell is this movie?

SPEAKER_00

I don't know. Oh, we just had that conversation and they wanted to watch kids' stuff the other day.

SPEAKER_02

There you go. Um do you have anything as far as like what you do collecting-wise that maybe is something that you're like, oh I this is my own little personality quirk coming out in my collecting?

SPEAKER_00

I mean, I there's only so many ways to really like organize things. Like I have I think there are only two like directors that have like special um sections of my collection and shelf space, like directly for them. Um Scorsese's one of my favorites. I I should just own more of his stuff now that Criterion's put everything out. I'm buying some of them slowly. Um so like there's two directors, uh Samuel Fuller and John Carpenter, that have their own spots in my collection. So I have near every Carpenter, and I think I have all the Sam Fuller's that are out. Um talked about maybe we'll hit this later. A couple of Sam Fullers I would love to see get restored and actually have nice additions out. And then um inspired by Def Crocodile, I've really gotten into world animation, so I also have like an animation section, like non-Disney, like serious cinema animation section. Like I have the Ghibli stuff in there, not in my like Disney Kid section. Yeah. Um, so yeah. So I have my two directors, my animation, and then actually no, that's not true. I also have like because now they're coming out with all the Hong Kong stuff, and I have also had a lot of stuff for years, like from 88 Films and Golden Harvest and all these companies, like I do have, and that's not quite as because some stuff's here and there, but I have a lot of like my martial arts and ninja and samurai, like my Asian action movie section.

SPEAKER_02

Nice, yeah. I like I I I don't have a section necessarily, but I do in my mind have like, hey, I'm trying to collect, like I'm a Billy Wilder's kind of it for me. Like I have I have everything from Kubrick, which I think a lot of people do, and it's not it's not that difficult because he's a huge discography. But like Billy Wilder is a bit of a crazy one, and he's got a lot, and they're kind of disparate and all over, and some of them are out of print, and some of them I kind of love that.

SPEAKER_00

Like my Fuller shelf, I've got darn near every boutique label. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

I and I love Sam Fuller. That would be that'd be fun to uh to look through because anything I've watched of his, I'm like, mm, yes.

SPEAKER_00

The greatest. And I also have a lot of but like Sam Fuller is like my guy. So I have almost all his movies and then I have books he's written, books about him. Like I have kind of like a whole fuller deal.

SPEAKER_02

I love the so there's this great special feature on um an indicator release that I have, which is I think it's called is it Invasion USA.

SPEAKER_00

Is that one of just the on edited tapes with him in?

SPEAKER_02

Yeah yeah oh my god like I could you could put that on and like I could I could do a six hour road trip driving just listening to him riff on the love what indicator did there. Yeah he's such a fun personality that just like yeah I could just listen I kind of think Billy Wilder's the same like he has he has eight hours worth of stories that he'd be more than happy to tell you on like just just roll the film and he'll he'll have you in stitches so that's that's quite fun. You uh you talked about Scorsese and and purchasing some of the stuff that you really love. Do you do you have like uh maybe something in your physical media collecting that you're like maybe right now looking to to focus on or like oh I really don't have much of this and I do really like it and I would like to get more of well I mean right now it really is global animation.

SPEAKER_00

Particularly Def Crocodile but there are a lot of people putting out or that have put out very cool things. And Def Crocodile their releases will also lead me to other like those directors or people that worked with them some of their other work um so I've been collecting a lot of that and just having a great great time with it.

SPEAKER_02

Nice. Yeah I've seen a few um I think I saw a big flurry of reviews and letterboxed reviews for I and I'm gonna get the title wrong of this one, but I think is it Lesbian Space Princesses that was one of the Deaf Crocodile ones? Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

No that's not a Deaf Crocodile that's just a new animated film.

SPEAKER_02

Okay. So that was confusing it was something else but is there something in in what you've been discovering there that you're really like people should really know about this or see this more often I don't know how edited this is so I'm gonna take a second to get this right so forgive me.

SPEAKER_00

Um Marcel Jankovix just an incredibly incredibly talented animator um I think I had heard of the tragedy of man and had seen some reviews when Def Crocodile first put that out but I I really got on it recently with Song of the Miraculous Hind that I just absolutely adored and so I went back I got the tragedy of man and Son of the White Mare and it it it's just wonderful wonderful stuff and also the Pie Piper release with all the short films from that director so many of these international animated films they're very they're very creative very beautiful and artistic also very political and intelligent very substantive the brain but like it just it's it's been so fun. And then you also have like um what's his name hold on I haven't watched any of them yet but I'm starting the Plimpton stuff. Like I I'm collecting a few of those and gonna watch through like he's a very like pop art horny weirdo maybe not quite like Felix the Cat style but yeah I some of the maybe at one point the Criterion channel had a bunch of Bill Plimpton stuff that I went through and I'm like this is this is wild and hilarious and I really quite like this. So I've collected I've purchased a few of them at some point when I finish some of the other ones I'm gonna go through that. Also no so what really got me into it was their treasures of Soviet animation sets. Which are gorgeous and amazing and most of the Deaf Crocodile stuff I own the standards because it's you're getting almost the exact same thing but these are the only ones that and Def Crocodile sends me some stuff but these I'm paying for myself so that I can get the nice like box art and the booklets. And these are incredible these are really incredible and I love them very much and they look amazing on the shelf.

SPEAKER_02

Yes oh it's fun I uh I need to like I said I need to check it out knowing that you're you're kind of doing an animation dive and we talked about it now I'm re-hijacking it with Canadian International Pictures. Oh do it um they have a they have a really fun collection called Animation Night in Canada volume Oh really? Yep and it's right now it's all animated shorts from the National Film Board of Canada that won an Oscar for best animated short. Okay the film board is is the two things the National Film Boardly sold out of slip covers.

SPEAKER_00

Yes but they think they've got the standard editions in it as of recording there's only 57 left I don't have an active order right now but should I I might might check also eBay because okay so this is another collector thing. For the longest time I could take or leave slip covers probably a lot of that was because they were studio ones and they didn't mean anything. Like they weren't special but now like I don't have to have them but we actually had Justin La Liberty from Vinegar Syndrome on the show talking Team America World Police for our April Fools episode which was a blast. But they put a lot of thought into and they pay really wonderful artists to create these unique things that it's it's hard to miss out on sometimes.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah I I'm pretty much the same way like I most slip covers that you would see you write are just the kind of flimsy you know whatever and they look exactly the same as the artwork that's in the in the inside of the plastic the and I I think I actually think Vincent and the the partner stuff they do with OCN like that's honestly the gold standard for slip covers sewn nice and thick the art's always really interesting um even the the boxes that they do like my my Flesh for Frankenstein the Paul Morrissey film that I got from vinegar syndrome big box like just a really really high quality stuff and I'm not typically somebody that would go in and be like oh I can kind of take or leave that and I think the vast majority of the vinegar syndrome and partner stuff I now have like oh if I can find the slipcover that would be nice it always sucks when you miss out and I'm pissed about it because I know they monkey with the numbers a little bit on the website because you go to their pop-ups and you go to their stores and they freaking have them I pre-ordered hundreds of beavers like 25 minutes after it was up and I didn't get a slipcover.

SPEAKER_00

And now they have a volume two like a a new slip cover that let me add that to an order for like three dollars four dollars like sell it to me by itself.

SPEAKER_02

I know I I well I did grab one from their pop up I will say that the the secondary one the one with the like well shipping is so crazy I was gonna say if you if you see an animation night in Canada with a slip cover yeah I'll uh I'll keep my eyes peeled might have my let me check locally because there's one place that does get some of that stuff in but yeah I'll have a look for it for sure.

SPEAKER_00

I've got some friends no that looks amazing I am I will one way or the other get my hands on that.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah it's great and it honestly like the gamut of styles of animation that it runs is absolutely wild like everything from like watercolor painted animation to like Bill Plimpton style very basic stuff that's there for the gags.

SPEAKER_00

It it it's it's a great set for sure I love that I haven't cracked it yet but I'm also very excited for Radiance's um essential Polish animation as well.

SPEAKER_02

Yes that looks very very cool too that is that one a a is it a region A one or is that one that's overseas and I would have to get a region for the player for I think you can get oh no it is re so you guys are region A too right yes we are yeah no it's region A. Okay perfect yeah I saw it and I was like mmm mmm yes yes this this is something I'm interested this is the problem with this hobby Philip it's true but I also I heavily utilize the library system as well. So I actually wanted to ask you about that because you um uh so we're we're on a a discord server with uh set up by Andrew from revisionist almanac which is where you we've been able to share a bunch of physical media stuff on there and I I I actually I need to do better with my local public library because I feel like it's an untapped resource that a lot of people don't utilize. So tell me a bit about like how much you're able to to find locally to be able to see from them.

SPEAKER_00

So I I I purchase stuff pretty regularly um I I'm blessed to be on a few lists where people send me stuff or give me the option to send me stuff but then also here in Kansas City we have like three or four great library systems but um a number of years ago the librarian uh introduced me taught me about what's called interlibrary loan I don't know if you guys have that but like we do yeah all of the libraries like different libraries have different criteria like I don't think I think there are two libraries that have like healthy Blu-ray selections but everything else is DVD but if you go on interlibrary loan some places have 4Ks like Severin's um all the haunts BRs like Fulcore like the big thick boy like I got that on interlibrary loan. It's like a $150 set I got for two weeks for free. Like get a library card talk to a librarian get out there um help them circulate like they spend money like these are our tax dollars like you you've already paid for it you don't have to pay for it twice but some of the stuff I absolutely want to own but some of it it's nice that I'm like okay if there's an initial run on the sales and like I I spent all my money on the previous sale because it feels like there's a sale every other freaking week. Yeah and I can't do them all. I'm like okay I'm gonna go on interlibrary alone and in a couple weeks I usually get just about everything I want to see even like brand new stuff or old stuff or out of print stuff it's it's pretty great.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah I I need to explore it a lot more because I know the the the public library here in Calgary is I from what I've seen looking online it can be pretty stacked but the even the interlibrary loan thing that didn't even click in until you said it and I went oh yeah yeah we do that it's uh it's the best yeah no it's that is great and kind of I mean closes a bit of the gap of you know taking the plunge on I love blind buying stuff as much as the next person but when you're diving in for an expensive set it can be a little bit of a tougher sell but if you're able to find something like that to see it in advance and go oh yeah I would I would absolutely look for this exactly and then you can wait for a sale without feeling like it's too okay here we go animation night in Canada 19 different libraries have it on their shelf I'm gonna get one this is in real time man I love it. That's great. Send it to me so I we talk a bit about you know things getting released all the time and and new stuff coming out and getting you know even today actually we we it texted a bit on Instagram about the the news about Manhunter getting the 4K restoration that's gonna make the rounds um actually Dakota on my my first episode of this when I asked him this question his most anticipated was like Manhunter so maybe I we're potentially speaking things into existence by asking I'm so mad I'm so mad I'm so excited about the new one I missed out on the Blu-ray because I was like I'm not gonna spend 25 bucks on it I'm gonna wait till it goes on sale and then I don't know if I missed a sale but the shout Blu-ray went out of print so fast forget getting a slip cover edition I couldn't get any edition for like under 75 bucks so I'm still rocking my Manhunter DVD I think I also have that one on VHS but it's it's a favorite of mine and I can't wait to uh get a really great edition of it.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah I'm really looking forward to that one as well so in that same vein is there is there something out there that either is really hard to find or maybe hasn't been issued that you're like really waiting for and like the the second it gets announced you're gonna be on it well I mean my criterion answer right I mean there's so many that I want especially like the streaming movies that will not exist if they don't have physicals and criterion in particular has done a great so like with the criterion streamings I every month I'm like why hasn't Spike Lee's Defive Bloods been announced also Assassination of Jesse James there's like a crappy studio Blu-ray that's fine that's good I like it a lot but as far as boutique stuff Sam Fuller's my guy Thieves After Dark is an incredible movie and it's got less than 300 letterbox logs. Oh interesting there's a crappy scan on rarefilm.com that I've watched and it's great but like that is ripe for a Radiance uh release to bring back into um the collector's ability to see yeah I half wonder with the return of eclipse if the criterion might make a play because they do they do have a really nice or criteria they've got a lot yeah um and then I would also say Tinicling because that or the Madonna and the dragon that is that's got just over 100 reviews I've seen a very terrible scan of that and that's probably the hardest Samfuller to find I like these After Dark much better but um Tinicling is also very good. Also in all of the Samfuller documentaries like they play clips from it so they've got the reels somewhere someone has them literally there's 107 letterbox logs of this film. Yeah that that shouldn't happen for somebody like Sam that's embarrassing but yeah those are the two big ones Tinicling and Thieves After Dark for him um that aren't available. Everything else is pretty which is amazing because that was not the case for a long long time. Yeah I think um run of the arrow because there's just that Warner Classics DVD Run of the Arrow is not on Blu-ray yet and that should be at least on Blu-ray. Not everything has to be 4K I get with the cost and all that give me even give me a Warner Classics Blu-ray with like care and love I'd love a special feature. I don't need a just give me a better version of that too.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah I agree I I recently one one of my first reviews um uh on on the ContraZoom pod website I did the Tea in Sympathy Blu ray for the Warner Archive but I relatively recently and it was only available before on a Warner archive I think on demand DVD years and years ago and it's like that's a film that is like I think is so underseen and is probably one of the more talked about films because it's you know a really big uh you know gay film from a very early time and is you know heavily featured in like a documentary like the celluloid closet and in all of this literature about like the evolution of of queer characters in movies over the years and it just like had a MOD DVD and that was it. And just having a Blu-ray of it and it's like it's a it's a Vincent Minnelli film.

SPEAKER_00

It looks phenomenal like widescreen technicolor like that that's Warner Archive does a great like job with their restorations I wish somebody would give them a couple bucks for special features but again yeah Fuller's work I I want to see as much of it preserved as possible.

SPEAKER_02

And thankfully a lot of it is yeah agreed I would be with you there for sure um there's something that's that you like and and I know with your podcast you you like I said you talk a lot about movies but you you have topics that kind of range about a lot of different things that come into it. Do you find that that in in doing that podcast and talking movies and other things is there like part of your collecting that you kind of like take inspiration from with the the things you chat about on the substance or the people you talk to or the topics you talk about?

SPEAKER_00

Well actually because so many um not studios because so many labels rather are doing great work like they help point me into nice directions because sometimes particularly with folks like um Radiance and sometimes Vinegar Syndrome in their sub labels or Deaf Crocodile they'll put out things that weren't on my radar very much and then the the brilliant people who they hire to do special features I've had a number of those folks on the show as well so I'll see okay like who did they hire to do the commentary who did they hire to do the 20 minute video essay as like the the star supplemental feature and be like okay like I'll go to their profile or I'll read some of their writing or I'll see we have a ton of mutuals in common and that's that's how I've gotten some guests I'm hoping to um that box car birtha cinematograph is gorgeous and I'm hoping to get some of the people involved um with those special features on our episode for the show.

SPEAKER_02

That's amazing I cinematograph was one I just recently did an episode about and it was absolutely loved incredible line.

SPEAKER_00

Justin is doing amazing work also Justin's a big Fuller fan um what is that one? I've only seen it once the Street what's it called there's a DV Street of no return that one I would not be shocked if Justin put out um a 4K of because that's also a great movie and it's um I I think it was like partially a French production but Fuller's American the movie's very American um and I think it's I think it kind of fits within cinematograph I I don't necessarily expect it but if it did I would be over the moon I would be pestering him to get to contribute.

SPEAKER_02

One of my goals for this year and next year is to be contributing more myself to those special features be it essays commentary tracks visual essays what have you nice I like yeah I like that we uh my so my wife and I also do a a movie podcast together called I Can't Believe you haven't seen and we just um uh just did an episode about Norma Ray which I got on my physical media soapbox for because it's out of print and there is no reason that that film should be out of print. Like it it hasn't been for years but now it's 20th century Fox. And so I we even jokingly were like hey Fox if you're putting we'll license this episode to you.

SPEAKER_00

We'll do something about that just like get it out so people can I mean my buddy Mike over at the projection booth has basically had the audio rips from his podcast as special features on various discs.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah I've had there was one on um one of the uh one of the cinematograph ones I had this um swim in Cambodia the spawn gray um uh monologue that there was a couple of uh not pure cinema I'm forgetting the name of it now but it was two episodes where they talked specifically with um Jonathan Demi who directed it was just like yeah this is this is great we should do more of this yeah no um yeah I think and hey I don't know if anybody's listening from we gave Def Crocodile and Canadian International a bunch of press if they want to if you want to jump on this guys just let us know we're here yes for real call me though when you put out uh I like movies I'd love to contribute to that for sure absolutely um this was lovely I it's the good thanks for inviting me I appreciate it man I'm pretty sure we'd go on for another three hours with this but we uh we'll we'll keep save everybody from that but yeah thank you for taking the time to chat uh today give um uh where can everybody find you as far as you mentioned the podcast anywhere else where people can can find your stuff yeah you can find uh the substance is the name of the podcast wherever you listen uh we are at the substance pod on instagram and maybe blue sky or maybe it's just me I don't know but I'm also uh Philip Miranello just marked

SPEAKER_00

My name is Philip with one L Marinello on Letterboxd.

SPEAKER_02

Amazing. Yeah, it's a it's the podcast is great. I can testify to that. I now have more that I can go discover about it. So thank you for pointing me in that direction.

SPEAKER_00

And if you love physical media, I'll s I'll shout them out. Um my buddies, these are personal friends of mine, have a new show called Blind Buys. And I joined them to talk about a movie. I oh, that was uh Sam Fuller's actually uh Dead Pigeon on Beethoven Street. I just had it on my stack for a long time, never watched it. And then I also did a Chasing Labels uh Unwatched pile as well. And I think I did oh, I did the Arrow release of the Tin Star. I'm a big Western guy too. The Westerns don't have their own section there uh in there, but I went hard uh over the last two or three years on the arrow sales, like I didn't spend it all at once, but I've got I think all of the spaghetti westerns and most of the American westerns from Arrow, and all the ones that I've seen are great. Yeah, and I'm looking forward to getting through the rest.

SPEAKER_02

Excellent. Yeah, I agree with you there. So uh all of those and and an upcoming feature on a Sam Fuller special features uh near you, speaking it into existence for you. Awesome. Well, thank you very much, Philip, and uh yeah, have a great rest of your night.

SPEAKER_00

You too, man. Thanks.

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Take care. Thank you again to Philip Marinello from the Substance Podcast for joining me for a collector conversation on this episode. Uh, it was an absolute blast to have a chat with with Philip. He uh he has really gotten me kind of going on a few levels, actually fully inspired me to finally go and get my uh membership to my local public library, which I can get in on the uh the library movie rental game, as well as a canopy subscription. So thanks for uh thanks for helping me out with that, Philip. And and also for giving me a bit of a lowdown on uh specifically the Deaf Crocodile label, which is one I am very, very interested to check out. And please definitely check out uh the Substance podcast and any everything that Philip shouted out as well. He's a great follow on Instagram and uh really excellent podcast. For uh if you want to continue to see what's coming up next with the Cinema on a Shelf episodes and podcasts, um I'll shout out all of my usuals. I have my Instagram at Cinema on a Shelf and my Letterboxd account for myself personally, which I am uh my username's at Maddie236. I love to have people following there and following the back to see what you all are watching as well. If you do want to chat movies and just want to send an email my way, my email is cinemaonashelf at gmail.com. And I do also do another movie podcast that I co-host with my wife Jess, called I Can't Believe You Haven't Seen, where we go back and forth watching movies that one or the other of us has never seen. Our most recent episode was about the Paul Thomas Anderson classic film Boogie Nights from the late 90s, which it was my wife's first time seeing and was really fun to have a conversation about. Um so yeah, it is it is on there as well, and also on uh all sorts of social medias. For the next episode of Cinema on a Shelf, we are going to be doing a little bit of a label spotlight on a very popular uh physical media label, one that has been around for some time in various capacities, and one that releases a whole lot of movies. And we're gonna be talking about Kino Lorber in the next episode. So thank you once again for tuning in. Thank you again for Philip Marinello coming on the podcast, and we'll see you on the next episode. Take care.